Disclosure: Advanced Technology Training Part 2 Disclosure with David Wilcock and Guest Pete Peterson Season 4, Episode 2

 

 

 

 

 

 Disclosure: Advanced Technology Training Part 2

 Disclosure with David Wilcock and Guest Pete Peterson

 Season 4, Episode 2

October 1, 2018

Broadcast on GAIA 

David Wilcock: All right, welcome back to our show. I’m here with Pete Peterson.

Pete, welcome back to the show.

Pete Peterson: Thank you much.

David: We’ve been talking in the past about your work with some luminaries. So who do we have next on the list that somebody might remember?

Pete: Probably, someone that I started with very young also is Kenneth Shoulders – . . .

David: Okay.

Pete: . . . a gentleman by the name of Kenneth Shoulders. He passed away recently and left his whole legacy on the Internet.

Kenneth Shoulders (1927~2013)

So you can go to Google and google “Kenneth Shoulders” and you could spend two or three lifetimes even beginning to go through his stuff.

When I met him, he was one of the people that was presented to me as a mentor.

I flew down to Southern California and he lived up in the mountains above Stanford campus. There was a little area up there where he got . . . And he was . . . He liked to “tune” himself, so he’d go out early in the morning and walk through the fog up on top of the hills, breathe the air and smell the sea water and the seaweed on the other side of the mountain and hug a tree or two or lie down by a tree and meditate.

Then he was ready to go to his consummate, consummate laboratory, which I’ve tried to build one like it the rest of my life, and I’m not even close.

But he had tools in there that you’d never heard of: tools that had been used by the Egyptians, tools that had been used by people way back when.

If you think about the rate of increase of knowledge, we’ve always increased at the same rate as our increase of tools to measure it.

We can talk about electricity. They talked about electricity for years and years mathematically, but they had nothing to demonstrate it. We didn’t have voltmeters and ammeters . . .

David: Sure.

Pete: . . . and oscilloscopes, and we didn’t have capacitance meters and inductance meters.

David: Well, let me just ask kind of a direct question. Are you saying that he had either ancient technology or classified technology right there that he could work with?

Pete: I used to talk about him for many, many years. There were certain things I couldn’t say, but I used to talk about him. I would say: if there was anybody that I know of on this Earth that’s an alien, it’s got to be this guy, because he was 50 to 200 years ahead of anybody.

 

I remember when I was 14, he sent me a handful of integrated circuits, and about 12 years later, they were invented in the quality and the amount of integration that took place. It took about 14 years before they got to be commercial.

David: So what was the purpose of them bringing him to you? What did he teach you when you started that 6 months?

Pete: He teaches me the things that he knows that are very different from the things that are known out in public. or very advanced from the things that are known out in the public.

David: Could you give us an example?

Pete: Well, when I went into his laboratory, the first thing he showed me was a little thing that looked like a silver grain of rice.

 

He took that thing with a pair of tweezers and put it into a little plastic device that snapped in that looked like a regular maple seed off a tree.

 

And then he took the device and hit it on his hand, and it turns out there was a little piston inside this leaf seed. It was a little double-ended piston that would go back and forth, and it was filled with isobutane, and it would generate . . . it would generate air, compressed air, and shoot it down the leaf of the maple seed and out the side.

 

And it would sit and hover and spin around and around and around.

David: And how big? Can you show me with your hands how big this thing was?

Pete: About this big. The whole thing was about that long [Pete spreads his fingers about 3” apart – 76mm], and a little engine about like that [Pete spreads his fingers about 3/8^th of an inch – about 1cm].

David: Around what time was this? What year?

Pete: Oh, boy. Probably 1966, ’67.

David: Well, we know now that there are very small drone technologies, but for the mid to late 1960s . . .

Pete: I’ve never seen anything like it.

David: So this thing could fly on its own? I mean, . . .

Pete: It could fly on its own. You could control it with a little . . . He’d converted a very early . . . We use infrared to control our television sets and VCRs. There was a time when you used a little ultrasonic tweeter.

 

He had a little bulb on the end and a little whistle.

 

And they came out in the public for, I don’t know, two or three years and then moved on to electronics.

 

But he had a little tweeter, and he had one of the little sensors that I learned about from Land. They have . . . The Polaroid X series cameras had an ultrasonic range finder.

David: So you’re saying that there’s this . . . that he had . . . Instead of infrared that he used an ultrasonic noise generator, but you can’t hear the noise?

Pete: It’s ultrasonic, so it’s above the frequency of hearing. And it was a little tweeter.

David: So it was like a remote control for the device?

Pete: Yeah. It was a remote control. It was just an ultrasonic remote control tweeter.

 

And he could tweet this thing to go away from you. Wherever it was, it would . . . It was designed to hook to the highest object near it. So it would fly around you.

 

Now, as you would see it coming around, you’d see something out there you wanted to examine. So when I got in line, you tweet it, and it would make a right-angle turn and then fly directly away from you.

 

And so you could take it 200′ to 300′ (61 to 91 meters), and you could tweet it twice, and it would turn right and start circling around you.

 

And if it found something taller, it’d start circling around that.

David: We routinely hear insiders say that the technology in the classified world is 20~50 years ahead of the conventional world, if not more. This absolutely sounds like that to me.

Pete: Oh, it is like that. I mean, that’s reality.

 

You discover something. When you discover . . . A scientist says, “Oh, I found out that this can happen.”

The time between that actually happening, and then making something that has the right power source,

has the right components available, then they’re farmed out to a number of agencies or companies that build those things that have NO IDEA what they’re going into.

 

“I want something that does this.”

David: That’s just like the Manhattan Project. They’re building a new nuclear bomb . . .

Pete: Well, it’s like most all the projects I’ve worked on. I could have upgraded them probably by 10 or 15 years if I’d had three or four of the objects, but they don’t want you to know what the objects are because they don’t want you to guess what they might be, because they don’t want you to sell it to the Soviets for 10 times what you’re getting paid.

David: So what did this little thing do? Why was it so useful? I mean, I have ideas . . .

Pete: It was so useful because the whole idea of it was eventually to make a maple seed that would fly out across the countryside, down a chimney, inside, through a fireplace grate, up, and land on a wall or a shelf and turn the microphone on.

David: Wow!

Pete: And you’d never know it was there.

 

And then at times you could turn it back on later or have a maid or a housekeeper, someone who is on the inside . . . I think I always said: there are more housekeepers in the CIA than there are anything else. Ha, ha.

David: Ha, ha, ha.

Pete: They’re in [a place] retrieving or putting down devices of various kinds.

 

So they could retrieve it later or maybe just self-destruct it later. Turn it on and fly it down into the fireplace.

David: So this would be an incredible surveillance weapon.

Pete: Absolutely.

 

Then we made a larger one that was about 6′ (2 meters) long that was made out of inflated . . . At that time, those little kiddie vinyl swimming pools were becoming big time.

 

So we found a couple of companies that were run by former military people and so forth, and we could make this wing that would roll up.

 

You’d fill the wing up full of isobutane and then put a little engine in the size of a marshmallow.

 

And a little free piston compressor the size of a marshmallow put out about 17hp (hp =horsepower).

David: Wow! So you say that this thing had 17hp? That seems . . .

Pete: The little marshmallow-sized engine.

David: That seems very hard to believe. I’m sure some people are going to stammer on that.

Pete: Well, they were wonderful little things.

David: Yeah.

Pete: And what it would do is take this wing, this flying single wing, [and] fly it around in circles.

 

We were at SRI. We’d look across and here’s the Stanford football team.

 

So we took it down with them, and they made up a little game.

 

Remember, it’s locking onto the tallest person, so one guy jumped on the other’s shoulders. They’d run past it, and it would hook onto them, and they’d head down the field one way.

 

And then another team would get some people to run in front of them and do the same thing backwards.

 

And we just got it to where the coach says, “Now, look, I’ve got a game in four days. You’re going to destroy these guys.”

David: Ha, ha.

Pete: And, “No, no, we want to play this. We don’t want to play football again.” Ha, ha.

David: Wow!

Pete: So, anyway, that was one thing. And we intended that for a civilian product, but naturally, the people said, “No, no, that’s going to be a military product.”

 

I don’t know that it ever became a military product. I mean, that’s been 30 years ago.

David: Hm. Well, something like this theoretically could also become a smart bullet, right? You could . . .

Pete: Smart bullet, smart bomb.

 

We had little blades that were like little samurai swords that would fly across the battlefield and sense a heartbeat and sense a body temperature and fly through it.

David: Wow!

Pete: And it was a blade big enough to cut enough tissue inside the body to bleed it out in short order.

David: That’s very disturbing.

Pete: It is.

David: Well, since we’re trying to get a lot in to one show here just to give people an overview for you, who else were you trained by that we might be able to look up or verify in some way?

Pete: Well, I got some training from a fellow that was the father of computerized sound.

David: Really?

Pete: There wasn’t [computerized sound] before him. There was some but very little. He wrote the manual on it. His name was Hal Chamberlin.

 

Howard Allen (Hal) Chamberlin

 

The last I heard of Hal, he was Kurzweil’s head sound engineer.

David: Hm.

Pete: And Kurzweil is the god of robotics, if you would, in the world today. The last I heard, he was teaching at MIT, and someone else here mentioned he’s, I think, somewhere else doing some work in that area.

David: I think he works for Google now.

Pete: Yeah, he probably does.

 

And he’s the one that thinks we’re all going to move into bionic bodies.

David: Kurzweil is the guy who was talking about AI and singularity.

Pete: Ray Kurzweil. Yeah.

 

Ray Kurzweil

David: Yeah.

Pete: And he realizes that we’ll soon have . . . Like with this little chip that I have, and so forth, he realizes that we’ll soon have artificial intellect that’s much greater than the human capability.

David: Right.

Pete: And so he’s working on that. And I have no idea – and I don’t think anybody has an idea – of what he’s REALLY WORKING ON behind the scenes.

 

But he’s been funded, financed and cajoled, and everything else by the very, very high levels of government . . . you know, total secure operations.

David: So tell me a little more about Hal Chamberlin. What did you study from him? When did that take place? What was his contribution?

Pete: It was in the early ’80s, ’80, ’81. He and his partner had built . . . While I was . . . In the beginning, I was using a computer that had been built to teach people how to use computers and chips.

 

This was like . . . There was nothing like it.

David: And what year are we talking about?

Pete: 1980. 1979 and ’80.

David: Okay.

Pete: And there was a little computer built that eventually got called the AIM-65.

David: A-M 65?

Pete: A-I-M 65.

David: A-I-M 65. Okay.

Pete: It was just a circuit board. It had another little circuit board that had what we call today a standard computer keyboard hooked to it.

David: Okay.

Pete: It was the first computer that ever had a microprocessor chip and a keyboard hooked together.

David: Hm.

Pete: And that’s how long ago it was.

 

It had a little thermal printer that would print on thermal paper out of an Olivetti calculator that Sears and Roebuck sold.

 

Olivetti Underwood Summa Prima 20 Manual Adding Machine

And it had a display screen that would display 24 characters, but they were 16-segment characters, not just the 7-segment that we normally think of in pocket calculators.

David: Right.

Pete: You could do alphanumerics. [With] alphanumerics, you could also do graphics.

David: Hm.

Pete: And then it had some input/output on the back. It had a little bit of RAM.

 

In those days, RAM was about US$71 for a kilobyte – two chips.

David: Ha, ha, ha.

Pete: It had some read-only memory. And then that read-only memory, we had two chips that had an operating system for the device in it.

 

So when you fired it up, it came up, and then it told it, “Oh, you’re a little computer, and you’ll do these things.” And the keyboard will work this way, and the display, and the printer, and the input/output.

 

It was designed specifically to teach people how to use this particular processor chip.

 

And the input/output chips that went with it were designed with it in the same family.

David: And what was the processor chip?

Pete: It was a 6502.

 

MOS Technology 6502 Microprocessor

 

David: Okay.

Pete: That became the basis for the Commodore PET, the Apple II, the Commodore 64, the Atari.

 

Commodore PET 2001 Computer

 

David: Right.

Pete: The first thing, I think, that was done was by one of the first students.

David: Let’s get back to Hal Chamberlin now.

 

You’re working with these AIM-65 trainers.

Pete: Well, we brought him in because they took that knowledge and they made from it a VERY powerful computer.

 

It was at least 10,000 times more powerful than the computer we used on the Gemini capsule.

David: Really?

 

The Gemini project began in 1961 and concluded in 1966.

Pete: And it would do everything.

David: And this, I assume, must have been classified?

Pete: No, it wasn’t classified at all.

David: Oh.

Pete: It happened by a private company out in the . . . a couple of bright guys. One of them was Hal Chamberlin, and David Love was his partner.

David: Okay. Well, was it ever publicly released?

Pete: Oh, yeah.

David: Okay.

Pete: The public bought them by the thousands.

David: Okay. So it was just a very significant advancement in computer power, you’re saying?

Pete: Yeah. It was, like, the second computer that ever had a keyboard and a processor chip.

David: Right. So what was Hal Chamberlin’s role with you when you started to train with him?

Pete: Well, Hal was David’s partner, so what we got from David, we got from Hal. I mean, they were partners.

 

And one of the things Hal said, “Well, I have a little board here that will allow us to do any kind of sound.”

 

And he was just finishing up his book on computerized sound. And so he’s THE guy. As far as I know, the book is still used.

David: So that would be, like, the first sound card for any computer.

Pete: The first sound card of any kind . . .

David: Wow!

Pete: . . . that I know of.

 

But, I mean, if there was another one, it was 200 levels of intelligence below that.

David: So Hal Chamberlin helped you to implement a sound card in your computer?

Pete: Hal Chamberlin took our needs and designed his sound card and their computer – that’s his company’s computer – around our needs.

 

And then I built a whole entire line of computerized diagnostic equipment that totally altered the world and the ability to do that.

David: So we have time for one more name-dropping. Could you give us another name of someone who you got into contact with as a result of these assignments?

Pete: Well, there are a lot of Nobel Prize winners, but probably one of them that people would know about, especially in the world that we are marketing to, and that would be Rupert Sheldrake.

David: Oh, yeah, of course.

Pete: He’s a very, very brilliant biologist from Cambridge, I believe.

 

Rupert Sheldrake

 

And we hired him to come over and lecture to a group of doctors who used my medical equipment.

 

So when he came over, it wasn’t that I was trying to impress him. It’s that I knew a lot of things about what he had found and wanted to try to give him some information.

 

So I realized that he thought he was supposed to come over and teach us what he’d found.

 

I knew what he’d found, and the rest of them didn’t. So to be fair with them, we let him talk about his thing, and I quit talking about my thing.

David: Well, let me just state, Pete, that we actually . . . This is pretty amazing, because I interviewed Rupert Sheldrake, and we’ve aired some of those interview clips on this network.

 

And what he’s done in terms of showing a biological intelligence field that seems to interconnect seemingly separate life forms is quite amazing.

Pete: Yup, it is. And there’s a WHOLE LOT MORE to it.

And he looks at it as a geneticist. And if you look at it more as a scientist, from a physics standpoint, there’s so much more . . .

David: I’m sure.

Pete: . . . as would be normal.

 

And I’ve done tons and tons of work on morphogenetic fields. And they are, indeed, very well-named – morphogenetic. They’ve morphed from various things.

 

The universe itself is learning on a regular basis. And so the universe will change itself based on preponderance of thought.

 

And that’s what my PhD thesis is on, on thought, rather than looking at everything from a physical standpoint.

 

Spirituality IS, is a different way to put it.

David: Sure.

Pete: And there are fields out there.

 

The problem is that there aren’t any words in the English language that will describe reality.

 

The words we have describe very gross, very personal, “we do it every day” kind of things, like burning eggs and stuff like that.

 

So we need a whole new series of words for the next step of mankind.

David: I agree.

Pete: And a lot of those include a lot of words that we had in the past. The word has been bastardized from what it really was, but there are words that talk about what we would lump in a spiritual class.

David: Sure.

Pete: And we have a . . . The human has a core or a spirit. I mean, there aren’t words to talk about it exactly.

 

I mean there are words to talk about it exactly for part of it and not at all for other parts of it.

David: Hm.

Pete: But they’re there, and they used to be there. We’ve bastardized the words.

David: But what specifically was Sheldrake doing at the time that you met him? What was it that he gave you?

Pete: Well, what he had just done is discovered what the early fundaments of the morphogenetic field [are].

David: Do you remember specifically what was the data at the time?

Pete: Well, the data was that animals could evidently gather data from some other means.

 

A lot of animals, for example, dogs, cats . . . I have a cat that does it perfectly.

 

I have a cat that I live about 70 miles from, and I go up, and he likes it where he is. And it’s in the wilderness.

 

And so I go up and visit him every 8 or 10 days and have water fountains and food fountains and stuff like that for him and robots that feed him and take care of him and tell me if that’s not happening.

 

And he and I can talk back and forth on a computer screen via the Internet. So I go up to see him.

 

And when I decide, “Oh, good, I’ve got some time today and tomorrow. I’m going to drive up there.

 

Immediately, I can measure his heart rate, his breathing rate, where he moves from where he sleeps to where we sleep. And I can see that all take place.

 

He knows it long beforehand, and he gets very excited when I get 10 miles away and more excited when I’m coming up the driveway.

David: So you have an electronic way to measure your cat’s vital signs, and you can see his response as you’re deciding to go up there.

Pete: Right.

David: Well, that’s a much more advanced form of what Sheldrake did. He has, actually, a book called “Dogs Who Know Their Owners Are Coming Home”, . . .

Pete: Yeah.

David: . . . where he found that people who came home at random times that the dog would preferentially stay right by the front door waiting for them . . .

Pete: Exactly.

David: . . . whenever they’re about to show up.

Pete: Oh, he’s right inside the front door. I have to knock it open a little bit so I don’t run over his toes.

David: Ha, ha, ha.

Pete: Ha, ha, ha.

David: So how did Sheldrake’s work influence YOU at the time when you heard this?

Pete: Well, I started out that I wanted to just tell him the things I’d found out in his area that obviously in his writings he wasn’t putting there for some reason. Either he didn’t know about it, or he’d been kind of quieted by the agencies that were interested.

David: Hm.

Pete: So, you know, I had a lot of agencies that were interested, and they told me things that I can talk about and can’t talk about, which is going to be a limiting factor here.

David: Yes, for sure.

Pete: And there are things that they’re doing totally unbeknownst to me. There are things they’ll be doing, some parts known to me.

 

And then I see things coming out that I taught them 20 years ago, and they finally believed.

 

Like the show that we were on seven years ago: a lot of people writing in what they thought that I said, and where I was right, or whether I was wrong, or whether I was indifferent, or didn’t see this.

 

There are bright people out in the world, but they had no idea what the background was, so they let their mouth override their intellect.

 

But anyway, there were a lot of things that I learned from him. But the biggest thing that I learned from him is how and why he got into what he was doing.

 

I said, “Where did this guy come up with this knowledge,” because it took me a long time and a lot of research to come up with it.

 

So I found out about the fact that he was . . . He’d gotten there. He was a bit of a misanthrope. He didn’t have any friends, and he didn’t have any people that he knew very well, and he didn’t know any girls, and etc., etc.

 

So his counselor there at Cambridge said, “I want you to go down to this hallway. It’s got a bulletin board with all the lists of the after school extracurricular clubs,” and things like that. “I want you to pick a group and join it.”

 

So he went down and looked. And he’s a very bright boy. And they were all kind of dull to him.

 

And finally, he found this group that had Bertrand Russell and David Bohm.

David: Wow!

Pete: You know, I mean, these are all world, world, world-famous scientists.

 

And he said, “Oh, that sounds like an interesting group.” Well, he hadn’t been there. This was his freshman year. He didn’t know that there was a pecking order.

 

And these are people you didn’t dare go talk to without making a two-year appointment and having something to show them and something to . . . you know?

 

And so he just went in and joined the club.

 

Well, everybody in the club thought, “Well, nobody’s going to be so supercilious as just to come walk into our club without an invite.” So they all thought, “Somebody here invited this guy here.”

David: Well, since we’re just about out of time, what was the . . . Did Sheldrake end up impressing these guys? Just can you briefly fill us in on that?

Pete: Well, Sheldrake’s very bright. He’s very different. He doesn’t understand social things, or didn’t then and probably not so much now.

 

But one thing was: he realized when he got in there that he was in the wrong spot, and that these guys were talking way over his head.

 

And like I was at that age, I realized that I was talking over everybody else’s head. And he realized that in his particular field and me in my particular field.

David: So how did that lead to him doing something different?

Pete: So what did he do is: he just closed his mouth and listened, mostly.

David: I see.

Pete: And very soon, he was up to speed with some of them. And very soon, he was contributing to the comments.

 

So what he had was 25 or 30 absolutely brilliant mentors that didn’t know they were being mentors, particularly.

David: Wow!

Pete: But he had these brilliant mentors. And they were like I am, in a general field, rather than in his specific field.

David: Cool.

Pete: So he learned a lot of things that were very helpful to him in his field from things that they were finding out in their scientific field.

David: All right. Well, that’s all the time we have for in this episode – some really, really fascinating stuff – getting the whole backstory here.

 

Thank you for watching, and we’ll see you next time.